NCAA Probation and College Football
Posted by Andrew McKillop on May 23, 2011
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Posted by Andrew McKillop on May 23, 2011
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Tex Noel said
Andrew…
Another awesome topic you have found to present with your outstanding research.
I always learn something by reading your comppilations and can’t wait to see what you come-up with next.
Keep-up the good work!
Kansas Blows said
The NCAA’s bowl ban eliminated KU from Orange Bowl consideration following the 1960 season. KU would have been the Big 8 conference champ, but the conference forced KU to forfeit two wins and the conference championship.
Andrew McKillop said
Thanks for the addition. I confirmed your post is correct, and added 1960 Kansas to the list of conference champs to miss out on a bowl because of a NCAA ban.
Kansas Blows said
It would be interesting to add a couple of layers to the analyss. To correlate cheating and success, one could examine years of probation versus seasons finishing in the Top 25. Looking at both football and basketball could be enlightenng. KU provides an interesting case study.
KU basketball is perhaps the poster chold of why cheating exists. Allthough the NCAA has hit the KU basketball program often and hard, the advantages of cheating have outweighed the penalties. More people remember Wilt played for KU than those with knwoledge of the illegal benefits that induced Wilt to move from a big city on the East Coast to the wheat fields of Kansas. KU roundball gets more recognition for its national championships than the ensuing probations that left them unable to defend the titles.
With KU football, you get the other side of the coin. Of the teams on your list ot leaders in most seasons on NCAA probation, KU has fewer Top 25 finishes than anyone else. Looking at the variance between years with Top 25 finishes verus years on probation, only SMU was worse than KU. With KU football, the tawdry side of cheating is more exposed, not dimmed by the wining it was intended to facillitate. With KU football, you see the cheating for what it is – willingness to ignore the rules in a patheric atempt (almost laughable in its ineffectivness) to make KU football nationaly relevant.
Andrew McKillop said
When I was doing research on NCAA Probation and College Basketball, the Centenary SID mentioned in a newspaper that the cheating outweighed the sanctions that were levied against their program. He mentioned that without cheating, Robert Parish never would have been able to step foot on campus. You would never catch anybody in a college athletics program making a comment along those lines anymore.
There are only a few instances in which the cheating/sanctions brought more notoriety to a program than the success that came with cheating. Usually those cases involved severe cases of cheating (i.e. SMU FB, Tulane BK, etc).
Here is a link to the article mentioned above:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=hDBPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=igIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6902,5699367&dq=centenary+cheating+worth+it&hl=en
Jeffrey said
USC has been given 15 years of probation.
Jakey said
If you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’
Andrew McKillop said
They have been given 15 years total, but have only spent 12 seasons thus far on probation. I didn’t want to count their chickens until they hatched so to speak.
Jeffrey said
While I thought about that, you totalled both of their bowl probations in, so you haven’t applied that standard consistantly.
Andrew McKillop said
Your correct about the inconsistency. I updated the article accordingly.
I also looked into your correction about the SEC, but noticed that on my list I have Auburn on probation 4 instances. Keeping the SEC total at 27. If I’m incorrect about Auburn being on NCAA probation only 4 times, please let me know.
Also since you have made some noteworthy corrections I would like to give you proper credit in the article. Do you have a personal website that you would like to be credited for?
Thanks again.
Jeffrey said
While we’re hashing this out SEC teams on probation for football:
Florida 3
South Carolina 1
Georgia 3
Kentucky 3
Arkansas 1
Mississippi 3
Tennessee 2
Mississippi State 3
LSU 1
Alabama 3
Auburn 5
That totals 28.
sharptusk said
You and I could do some damage.
Have those around Auburn Ever Quit Paying Players?
Tennessee Tech and When Time of Possession Matters
http://www.hogdb.com/2010/08/31/arkansas-v-tennessee-tech-time-possession-matters/ (ignore the Tennessee Tech stuff)
Kicking Around with the SEC’s Close Game Leader
http://www.hogdb.com/2010/06/20/kicking-around…se-game-leader/
Troy S. Schoonover said
Very good to see my favorite team, BYU, with a clean slate, but saddened to see my home-state favorite, Univ. of Florida, with three instances (although it’s been 20 years since the last one). Now, if you had researched and compiled a list for how many times players on a team’s roster were arrested, I’m pretty sure my Gators would be well represented, and my Cougars would not have a clean slate, either (no team would).
Andrew McKillop said
BYU has a clean slate in men’s basketball too.
Mark said
“…Take for example last year when USC was placed on probation. Some people were surprised by the severity of the penalties, but in the report released by the NCAA, it was directly mentioned that the USC football program had previously been placed on probation five times since the early 1950’s. I’m sure USC’s repeat violations had some impact on the severity of the penalties they received in 2010…
Punishing the young men playing football at USC TODAY for the sin’s if those who played there BEFORE THE CURRENT PLAYERS WERE EVEN BORN, proves how DISPICABLE the NCAA is.
daveh said
Yeah, but let’s not pretend those purported “clean” schools are clean. What about the other sports programs besides football? Just off the top of my head, Missouri’s basketball program has a lengthy history of sleaze and corruption. If I bothered to do the research, I’m fairly confident I’d find a lot of the other schools have had the same sleazy issues.